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Transcript: Interview with Michela Ledwidge of Modfilms

MODFILMS & CROWDSOURCING

Q:
When did you begin Modfilms and what was your inspiration? What are the project's main objectives?

A:
MOD Films was founded in 2004 as a spin-off company from my consultancy thequality.com which has been doing media R&D since 1993. After a couple of real-time (live) film projects, Horses for Courses (2001) and Extreme T (2004), I started to research what was going on with re-mix culture world-wide and thought it might be a good idea to set up a dedicated story-telling unit.

There have been so many inspiring developments over the last decade but three stand out - a keynote speech Danny Hillis gave at the SIGGRAPH conference in LA in 2000. I was in the audience listening to this amazing inventor ( e.g. RAID, parallel processing, a bunch of stuff for Disney) talking about the accelerating technical progress, the Singularity, and how difficult it was to visualise concepts like this. He invited the audience to let him know if they had any ideas. I'd just been demo'ing my Horses for Courses film in another session (the film was a bit like a cross between a short animated film and a toy you could poke and play with) and the idea of a massively multi-lingual movie popped into my head - an intelligent narrative format that used every trick in the book to communicate. With all the new developments being explored for new media, all of a sudden it seemed crazy to have to limit your story to any one specific distribution format or platform. What if there was a way to produce a film in a way that better lent itself to future malleability. At the time I didn't quite realise what a Pandora's box this was going to be (the "prototype" is still under development after 3 years) but it was an exciting couple of weeks. Having the chance to talk the idea over afterwards with people like Danny was what got this whole thing started.

I'd been VJing on and off in clubs for a number of years by this stage so I was pretty familiar with what you could and couldn't do with real-time audio and visuals. It's been clear for some time how more and more control is going to be achievable so there are lots of live A/V groups which were and continue to be inspirational. MIDI-triggered visuals have come a long way in the last five years. The Light Surgeons, an early UK group, were actually the first to use the term "remixable films" that I'm aware of, although they were only interested in creating a remixable experience themselves, not allowing the audience to do so. Only last night I saw The Sancho Plan performing an amazing live cartoon with a posse of drummers triggering real-time animations.

Lastly, the explosive popularity of Counter Strike (a MODification of the 1998 video game Half-Life) was both an inspiration and an eye-opener. Valve Software pretty much pioneered the game MOD culture by being significently less precious with their published game than people had previously. When MOD Films got off the ground, the most popular online game was one made by two audience members (Counter Strike) legally piggybacking off the creative efforts of a larger commercial team. With a published version of CounterStrike now available for purchase, things have gone full circle - audience members are now part of the next phase of production. That in principle, is what we're trying to do with MOD FIlms - establish a framework by which a two-way relationship with the audience and story can be developed over time if the original work strikes any chords.

Q:
How does Modfilms fit in to our discussion about crowdsourcing?

A:
This two-way relationship with the story I mentioned is all about sourcing inspiration, participation and resources from the crowd. We've developing a virtual studio system which aims to provide a more sophisticated "youtube-like" (for want of a better analogy) experience that is useful for professional as well as amateur productions. With Sanctuary, the first production using the system, we want to explore a film MOD paradigm where the core material can be treated as a finished work but also as a library or construction kit depending on your interest. For this to work (and especially to get funding back in 2004 with this idea) the key has been developing a community of highly diverse participants and working out how this could all work. What we've learnt is that it is less about developing one monolithic community but rather, much like the Internet itself, creating a network of inter-related crowds that have different but complementary agendas.

Q:
Projects like A Swarm of Angels, Stray Cinema and Open Source Cinema use the crowdsourcing model in relation to specific areas in a film's life cycle (development, funding and production). Where in the cycle does your project engage/ collaborate with crowds? How?

A:
We've been engaging with crowds since the outset but it hasn't all been online. If you google 'remixable films' you can get an idea of some of the disparate virtual community systems we've seeded with the idea but the lion's share of the engagement has been via an extranet system that thequalty.com has been using for production since 1993.

Performing real-time films in clubs, at conferences, parties, etc.. was also instrumental in developing the idea - nothing beats being able to watch the audience and see what works and what doesn't.

In terms of Sanctuary, the engagement started right at the beginning but to maintain some element of surprise, which I think it essential for a film to work, all the collaborative systems are invite-only and limited to people working on the project at this stage. I've been maintaining a (private) director's blog since 1997. A core group then used the blog to hone our original funding application and re-develop the script. Sanctuary is the origin story of a larger superhero tale that was originally developed as an interactive feature film property for another company. Once we hit the concept art phase, our message boards system started to be used in earnest to recruit artists for the project. We've got around 120 people signed up to Team Sanctuary - most of whom have actively participated in the project or will do so prior to release.

We ended up working with 16 different concept artists, all whose work will eventually be released as part of the asset library, which is pretty good going for a short film. We found though that while certain crowds were able to engage easily with the new media systems set up for the production ( e.g. forums, wiki, blogging tools, RSS aggregator) the majority of "real film people" couldn't get their heads around it and found the web framework intimidating. Concept artists and developers took to the forums like ducks to water. They were hardly touched during actual production though.

Software developers working on the project were all hired via a process that invited them to jump in and start contributing ideas and questions via the Sanctuary wiki. Because Team Sanctuary is scattered around the globe, it was imperative that any developers were totally up to speed on teleworking and collaborative tools. In a sense you could think of the whole film as a kind of wiki and Team Sanctuary as the folks preparing to release it. A lot of the processes for hosting and engaging with a large ( i.e. public) group of subscribers should hopefully benefit from the long private gestation the system has had.

The Sanctuary project has had two key engagements with wider crowds and public collaborations to-date. Firstly, our original call-out which has quietly enabled the company to build a wonderful network of collaborators and interested parties world-wide providing advice and various forms of support. Secondly, when MEAA attempted to organise an industry boycott of the project (because of the precedent-setting signings of professional actors to CC licenses), we were only able to proceed because MEAA's public statements triggered a backlash from our wider community some of which has been recorded in forums and blogs around the world like Slashdot).

We're gearing up for the third which is to start turning some of the expressions of interest in "film MOD'ing" into actual projects to re-use Sanctuary material. In-house there is a game and an A/V instrument under development but I'm particularly interested in making sure that everyone with an idea around this has the opportunity to get hold of the material pre-release and start mucking about.

Still all this is really only of interest to digital media folks who interested in creating stuff or hosting their own productions in our system once it's released.

To everyone else, we're not really seen to be engaging with crowds because we haven't released anything yet or opened up the virtual studio to the public... yet. In short the MOD Films virtual studio system engages with crowds at every stage of the cycle but what makes this project a little different is that our aim is first and foremost to make the films. There has been a whole lot of thought put into how we open up the studio to wider crowds for entertainment purposes but as many other projects like Swarm of Angels, satisfying the needs and aspirations of the wider community is not always seamless with the process of just making the stories themselves. There is something exciting but also scary about releasing your art in this way. What happens when the crowd is wrong? How do you deal with the mob mentality?

We're looking forward to opening up everything (and to the keen onlooker there are plenty of soft-release assets already out in the wild) but by re-focusing on term Studio I hope we're making it clear when and how we engage with people. It's an exciting time, lots of noise online as always and at the moment, we've got our head down in VFX post. Crowdsourcing is essential to how we see our product developing but our key responsibility is in developing a story system that works for viewers and creators.

Q:
One you establish a working story system and begin release films, what role will crowds/audiences play (vs audiences of traditional films) in the watching of your films?

A:
The RIG (Reactive Interface Framework) re-mixable film format under development is intended to function a little like Valve Software's Steam web service where updates to titles can be uploaded and downloaded. modfilms.net is a working prototype (minus graphic design) of the mechanism by which audience members will be able to vote for the most popular MODs which then can be seamlessly downloaded into bought copies of the film via the Internet - think unlimited DVD extras. The crowd will determine how and to what extent re-mixable titles evolve in a commercial sense.

The MOD Films virtual studio, behind the scenes as far as a traditional audience is concerned, will provide access to the film almost as a wiki. My (director's) cut of Sanctuary is essentially version 1.0. It will be left to the audience and crowd to check out material and check in changes and updates over time. Tracking all this behavior and making the user experience entertaining is one of our challenges. Post production and game developer types will know what to do with the raw material, for the majority of the audience though, we need to work closely with technology and service partners to ensure that access and interactivity is as friendly as possible.

Personally, I intend to "perform" the film in venues in similar fashion to how live soundtracks are occaisonally performed for cinema classics. I think once people see live what the medium can do then they will want to have a go themselves, hopefully spurring on the market for more interactive story titles.

Q:
What impact do you think your project has had/ will have on social media?

A:
I think our little effort has had some impact in terms of making certain people question how they produce media and others how they absorb media. Certainly in Australia, we've broken the ice on CC licensing in professional media circles and that should hopefully make it easier for other productions. That said, Internet time is faster than dog years. Back in 2004 it took me around 2 days to describe the project and now "user generated content" is practically a mainstream concept.

The typical response I get to the project is "mm, that's different" or "that's really clever...but how exactly does it work?" Ultimately the proof of the pudding will be how the final packaging works with people who've haven't been subjected to my arms waving explanations or endless tech demos. If the final results look and feel like good films but are satisfyingly malleable then I think there will be a lasting impact. We've barely begun though.

There's no point smoking our own dope though. Undeniably exciting this all is but at the same time a UK High Court judge admitted last week, in a major "terrorist" case, that he didn't actually know what a web site is. We have to learn to walk in this space before we can run. The lasting impact of this project could be more empowering social media and a resurgence in personal story-telling but only if we succeed in packaging this up for mainstream consumption. A lot of the interactive story-telling pioneer projects of the 80s and 90s have vanished into the ether. Once our approach is (inevitably) co-opted by mainstream media things will accelerate and but there's always a chance that the direction will be strikingly different.

Q:
In response to the depletion of global resources, we're moving towards a greater appreciation and consideration for 'sustainable design' in fields of architecture, engineering, fashion, industrial and interior design, as a way to extend and maximize what resources we do have, and so as to create minimum impact on our environment… You refer to Modfilms as 'sustainable story systems' – could modfilmmaking also be classified as 'sustainable entertainment design', harnassing the power of networks and communitites of people (crowds) to extend and enrich the making and telling of stories?

A:

Sounds good to me! {:-)

Sustainability is such a loaded term though and I don't use it lightly. I'm sure that there are significent ways in which our processes could be made more efficient and extensible. We're dealing with a difficult balancing act between conflicting drivers - content creation and ecology and there may never be a happy medium. A Hollywood production will always appear excessive and indulgent in the eyes of an eco-activist. But like the carbon credits schemes that airliners are starting to promote, I think there are tangible steps that can be taken for everyone's benefit.

Q:
Where would you like to see modfilms in the future?

A:
As a well respected company working with a talented global network on great flics - films and beyond.

Q:
What other ways do you think this idea of crowdsourcing will/ could be used?

A:
Film funding and film completion processes. How many films never see the light of day because they run out of steam? Once film re-use is more mainstream, crowds are going to love ressurcting old bombs and disasters.


Mixercast launches user-generated media network

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Here's an interesting bit of info from 901am.com:

MixerCast announced that it has signed licensing deals with known content providers to allow its users to legally combine professionally-produced videos, music and images with their own content and hyper-syndicate the rich media mashups on the Internet. Instead of broadcasting pre-packaged channels of content through a traditional media network model, MixerCast makes it easy for consumers to create, distribute and remix content from a variety of sources by using a rich set of editing and publishing tools, ad-infused and product- placement-ready templates, and open access to a large library of studio content. Users can monetize their creative work by proactively adding advertising into their MixerCast content packages as they virally spread across the web, which are then tracked by a robust set of built-in measurement systems.

“With the debut of MixerCast, people now have an easy way to fuse their own content with legal studio content and create custom Web channels, movies, music videos, photo galleries or personal RSS feeds. It’s like having your own personal broadcast station with access to high-quality licensed content so you can create context and a much richer experience,” said Jennifer Cooper, MixerCast CEO, who recently left Yahoo! to co-found and lead the company. “Our vision is to drive the next big wave of syndicated content and advertising on the Web. It’s no longer about simply serving up ads based on search keywords. With MixerCast, highly-engaged users mix, monetize and network their interactive productions. Users can also include licensed, branded content when they share or post their Mixercasts via email, their favorite sites or blogs.”

What do you think of this form of content syndication and networked "interactive productions"? Does this apply to our considerations for CS film distribution?


Open Source Cinema (Wired.com)

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Here's a recent post on open source cinema by Angela Watercutter from Wired.com:

With all the recent buzz about the collabo of Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino for Grindhouse (if you haven’t seen it yet, go now, we’ll wait), I got to thinking about collaboration and how in it’s own way Grindhouse is actually kind of a remix of movies and styles: two directors with two very different films, trailers from even more eclectic/random sources, a guy humping Thanksgiving dinner, a stuntwoman playing a stuntwoman and a lot of ass-kickery all mixed into an homage to '60s and '70s cinema that is kind of about the quality of that very genre of cinema. It’s all so very meta. And it got me thinking, has anyone ever remixed their film? Sure, people take films and mix them with other source material. But has anyone ever started by open sourcing their film with the intent of putting out the remix as the final product? A quick Google search lead to some kids at NYU who encouraged people to take the blessed geek trilogies and remix them into 5-8 minute short parodies, but better still I found Open Source Cinema. Created by director Brett Gaylor it’s a “documentary project to create a feature film about copyright in the digital age” according to the manifesto. What Gaylor has done is conduct interviews with remix icons like Lawrence Lessig, Bonde do Role and Negativland’s Mark Hosler amongst many others and is inviting pretty much anyone to remix his material and/or add their own. He’s even wiki’d the film’s script. The docu he (and maybe even you!) is making is tentatively titled Basement Tapes and set to be released in March 2008. It’s being co-produced by the National Film Board of Canada and EyesteelFilm. And, of course, Gaylor’s working with Creative Commons. If that wasn’t enough, he appropriated a (in)famous Banksy image for the project’s logo. Now that’s meta.

Read the original article (complete with lots of embedded links) here


Focus! Focus!

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Hey all,

Here's a quick & fast update from the Culture corner here at AZ. After a great chat with Jay Rosen on Friday, we've decided to reign in our coverage and focus focus on two key topic areas:

Crowdsourced Film
Crowdsourced Music

I'm glad to see that Jeff Howe and Ruslan Kulski are on board to work on film coverage. Ruslan's been busy gathering information and doing some initial writing on the subject - and I'm sure there will be much more to come!

On the music front, David Cohn and I were exchanging a few ideas earlier in the week that have pointed us toward a few interesting sites that interpret crowdsourcing the creation, promotion, and distribution of music. We'll be putting together a topic page over the next few days and I'm hoping to get some contributors rolling on some assignments as soon as we've got our nice new topic pages decorated with some appropriate text, key links, and upcoming plans.

CP music & culture writer/editor Angela Pacienza will also be working with our emerging team as our culture crew begins to consolidate its efforts on some initial tasks. Time permitting, we may also extend our reach to include a collaborative concentration on Current TV with Media & Publishing Editor Michele McLellan...pending a bit of further inquiry into how effectively Current TV have put their crowdsourcing plans into action.

Our strategic outreach work continues too - as I've put out a call for culture contributors to AZ over at the excellent crowdsourcing news site NowPublic.com. Founder Michael Tippett is behind our efforts and site editor Mark Schneider is eager to see where we can take this cross-collaboration. With our 900+ contributors and NP's growing international roster of 80,000+ members, we're bound to find some points of shared interest. Looking forward to see what comes from it!

Please don't hesitate to contact me jarrett.newassignment@gmail.com if you're interested in getting on board - or if you've got ideas for stories within either of the admittedly large topic areas we'll be covering.

More soon!

JM


‘A Swarm of Angels’ crowdsourcing film production

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I just came across this over at NowPublic.com:

Can open source methodology be applied to film production? Yes, says UK filmmaker and author, Matt Hanson, whose own project, 'A Swarm of Angels', is attempting to "crowdsource" the funding, production, and distribution of a $1.9+ million dollar movie.

Read more here: ‘A Swarm of Angels’ crowdsourcing film production

Greetings & Welcome!

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Welcome to the Culture section of AZ.

I will be guiding & editing AZ's culture stories on webTV, film, art, funding, music, and whatever else we dig up in these next few weeks. There are some fascinating stories to cover and I hope you'll get involved.

For my part, I've been working as an editor, writer, and new media producer with CBC television, radio, and web (more details are up on my bio page), and I'm currently a culture editor over at the amazing crowdpowered media site NowPublic.com. I also write regularly on my own blog, Culturite, about many of the topics we're going to be covering here at AZ. Suffice it to say, I'm very interested in exploring the incarnations and implications of crowdsourced culture.

I'd like for this section to focus on several key ideas and potential AZ stories - and I'm open to your thoughts and ideas about where we should take them:

CurrentTV
Crowdsourced Film
Crowdfunding
Crowdpowered Art
Miranda July's project: "Learning to Love You More"

Are you involved in any of these projects? Have you worked for, or contributed to, CurrentTV? Do you have first-hand experience as a cultural creator (artist, filmmaker, online video producer), or as part of an arts organization trying to get a crowdfunding project off the ground? I'd like for us to cover these topics through a a blend of: interviews with key people, first-hand accounts of experience with these topics, and researched features on how these topics are developing and evolving.

And...although Sellaband is already being covered by Jeffrey Sykes , I think there is still some ground for us to cover in the area of crowdsourced music . I'm particularly interested in looking at some emergent music/web 2.0 hybrids like the revenue-sharing music site AmieStreet.com and the self-described "hip-hop 2.0" site RapSpace.tv .

How are these sites changing the way a crowdpowered 2.0 community of users interacts with content? Who is getting involved in these sites and who are they being marketed to? What kind of content is most valued on the site and how does the crowd drive its success?

More generally, and perhaps somewhat philosophically, I'm also interested in the 'experiential' aspects of crowdsourced culture, both from the perspectives of artists and of the public. In parallel to our nascent AZ process of producing 'crowdsourced journalism' which, will be self-documented and well blogged about ), I'd like for us to consider what the experience of actually making this new kinds of art is like. How is it similar or different to other forms of artistic collaboration?

What new forms and ideas could emerge from engaging with art and culture in this way? Are there dangers of these projects being co-opted or (mis)guided by outside interests, corporate or otherwise?

All of this and a whole lot more, I'm sure.

Interested in being involved? Please get in touch. I'm at jarrett.newassignment@gmail.com

I look forward to working with you.

Best,
JM


Crowdsourced film funding in Variety

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Through HD for Indies I came across this Variety piece by Scott Kirsner.

Thats! some! link! action!

Anyhoo, the article is quite skeptical about the viability off the current crop of models, such as A Swarm of Angels, that have been popping up around the web. The main criticism is that in reaching for full feature funding, these projects are overreaching themselves.

Here's a quote....


I think for this idea to work, somebody bigger than a nobody would have to step up to do it, and they'd need to lower the target amount to raise - $100K tops I'd think...but that's not much of a feature - you could make a nice short for that though.

...and he goes on to have someone say why no one bigger will step up....

Daniel Riviera, a San Francisco entertainment attorney active in indie film production, says he can't imagine experienced film investors entering their credit card numbers on Web sites to buy into a project, rather than signing the standard private placement memorandum.

"I don't think any of the investors I work with would get involved," he says.

I would have to a agree, that for as far as a fully decked out production of a crowdsourced film goes, a short might be the ticket.


A crowdsourced shoot?

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In an interview with Steve O'Hare of ZDNet, the person behind A Swarm of Angles, Matt Hanson, says....

We'll also be recruiting the film crew as much as possible from the membership. Film is usually such a closed community, a difficult industry to break into. By joining the Swarm you immediately get an entry into it without competing with hordes of others.

This isn't what I would call a crowd sourced shoot, but it is an example of crowdsourcing enabling people to become involved in a way that may otherwise have been impossible.


The crowdsourcing of film production

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The variety of ways crowdsourcing is impacting the production of moving images is a tribute to the power of the movement. Each stage of production is being taken over by the crowd.

Elephants Dream is an animation made using Blender, a digital '3D content creation suite' released under a GNU General Public License.

Stray Cinema have released the stock footage of a film shot in London that is free for anyone on the Internet to edit into their own 'open source film'. The results will be screened at a festival in London.

A Swarm of Angels have open sourced the funding process for film by gathering donations from members In return they are giving the members the ability to input into the creative process of the film itself.

I wonder if anyone can point to an example of a crowdsourced shoot? Perhaps Creative Commons footage mash-ups count.

Any thoughts?


How the World of Cinema Strays

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Ruslan Kulski
Reporting page:

Crowdsourcing moves into film -- can the crowd create a movie?

Ruslan Kulski interviews Michelle Hughes from Stray Cinema via email

From the site: Stray Cinema is an open source film. Here you are able to download and re-edit the raw footage from a film we have shot in London. This will provide people from all over the world with an opportunity to create their own version of the film. Stray Cinema will navigate the film experiment out of the online digital world, into the 'real world' with a screening of the top five films in London. The footage shot in London is the first of many open source films to be provided by Stray Cinema.

Ruslan Kulski: What are your contributor numbers? Output etc.?

Michelle Hughes: There are currently 598 registered users on www.straycinema.com, and 31 film submissions from 15 different countries.

3/16/07
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