crowdsoucing: an evolving phenomenon

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(crossposted to the Scoop on 5/29/07)

The term "crowdsourcing" might be new to our lexicon, but the concept, as some of our subjects from Interview Week note, has a past as much as a potential

In politics, Utah representative Steve Urquhart recalls how another Utah representative "crowdsourced" before the Internet: "One of the best examples I can think of is when a member of the Utah Legislature from a rural area, Tom Hatch, would call down to Foy's Diner. They'd put him on speaker, and he would let them know what the Legislature was considering and ask for their feedback. So the folks that were sitting at the coffee counter, they would interact with him and tell him what they thought and how they thought it might affect their area. That was early crowdsourcing."

Among fundraisers, Kiva.org co-founder and CEOMatt Flannery was influenced by "sponsorship" programs : "I grew up sponsoring children and connecting to children all over the world with $20 a month. I had a good experience with that as a kid. Growing up, I visited a lot of people across the world and was deeply affected -- witnessed people having to make choices of buying medicine for one child and feeding the rest of their children, choices no one should have to make. This intimate exposure gave me a reason to care and think about that. But, when I would come back to my comfortable world, there was no way to act on that. I wanted to create a more lasting connection between me and my family and my friends and the people I met in East Africa. I wanted there to be a dignified way to partner with people in the developing world to help them get out of poverty. I was attracted to the idea of lending to people. There’s a mutual respect. You can connect of over ideas for business over making improvements. Progress over poverty is an idea we like to emphasize. I personally was exhausted and desensitized by the emphasis in America and on images of people in poverty and suffering and people dying and babies starving. I think people are overwhelmed and exhausted by that. I was hoping that we could create something a more positive. I was hoping we could focus on doing something that we can succeed in and track, like a business plan."

Thinking of the potential of crowdsoucing, Lionel David founder of Crowdspirit, believes having new means to communicate will spur on more co-develpment and collaboration towards the invention of new consumer electronics: "I think crowdsourcing or more co-development in our case is definitively not a "transitory" phenomenon. The basis of this trend was identified many decades ago by researchers like Eric Von Hippel. The word crowdsourcing could be "transitory," but the trend itself is on its way. [Wired Contributing Editor] Jeff Howe was clearly visionary by inventing this word and by raising it to the public at the perfect time to market. What is more important is the fact that, thanks to the internet, we finally have the means to communicate to the masses, in order to really engage that new industrial revolution which was predicted a long time ago. It's now just a question of time before we see the deep impact that it will have in our society. Moreover, we can look at the macro-economical aspect of this revolution. In the last century, several nations tried various economic systems like capitalism and communism. In this century, crowdsourcing could be seen as a new way of thinking for our future society."

For a business to successfully tap into the crowd, Jeffrey Kalmikoff, chief creative officer for Threadless suggests keeping ego out of it and shifting from money-making to community-building :Any business that doesn’t already exist that has people running it that aren’t egomaniacs. That’s it. You hear community as a buzzword, but some people can’t handle it. If you have 50 million dollars available to advertise a business and tell the world how great your product is, the last thing you want to do is have an open forum where customers can tell each other that its not. It’s bad business. It’s a totally different foundation for running a business. Businesses are about making money—but we tend to look at threadless as a project. We rarely talk about threadless as a business. We tend to talk about it as a project. At the heart of it, its not about making money, its about the community. It’s a simple concept—when people tell you what they want, you give it to them. It’s totally open—you can’t have secrets, executives, and a bunch of bureaucratic levels in a top down business hierarchy. It has to be completely transparent, and anyone can do it. Anyone. As long as you can be a good leader while keeping your ego out of it, you can do it.


A Journalist by Any Other Name

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Some curious conversations going on this week on the journalist/citizen journalist/blogger conundrum...a frightening turn of events at The Chicago Tribune....and some truly wise words on how newspapers can become hubs for all this new media without having to define who's a journalist and who isn't....

Let's first look at the old "Who's a journalist?" debate (it's getting almost to be a "Who's your daddy?" kinda thing...it's so absurd at times) Jeff Jarvis was at the RTNDA this week and blogged about a particular panel--where both Zadi Diaz and Amanda Congdon stated that they did not consider themselves journalists. Yet Terry Heaton (who was also on the panel) and Jeff like to insist that they are. What stuck out to me in Jeff's post was so very little about how the younger generation is teaching us what the news is supposed to be (which I believe is Jeff's argument) but the paternalistic tone Jarvis takes in his insistence that Diaz and Congdon are journalists. Why is it so important that someone *else* make up both Diaz and Congdon's minds for them on the matter? There is something horribly lopsided in this equation--the younger females being very clear on what they are doing, while the older men wanting to muddy the waters and tell the young women who they are (and, in effect, what they are doing in their respective jobs...)Note: Jeff was not happy with my comments. I re-read his post, and still feel there's something not right in it. I don't believe that the reason people do not want to call what they do "journalism" has nothing to do with any sort of burden or heavyness in the term. Rather, I think people just know their own minds and aren't as swayed by academic arguments on "what is journalism?" as some people think.

Yet it's this kind of nonsense--that there is one older, more wizened group out there who can define for us what we're doing with our blogs, vlogs and pods, why we're doing it, and who we should be doing it for--that may be part of what's behind the Chicago Tribune's latest boneheadded move to launch a hyperlocal citizen journalism website. Why on earth does the management at the Chicago Tribune believe that they need something like Triblocal?

All I see are people becoming unpaid pawns in a much larger war over what is and is not journalism. TV stations will ply us with come-ons to "harvest" our content....newspapers will trot out fancy "your news" sites so that we'll feel all responsible for feeding them our content....and what do we get out of the whole thing...

A giant nothing.

No, wait...maybe we'll actually get a "great job" pat on the butt for getting that scoop that they could no longer pay reporters and videographers to get.

But there's some wisdom out there...and it's coming from some really great people who understand that the people using media isn't about people becoming journalists on the fly. Rich Gordon writes that newspapers should try to build the best network, not the best destination. Rich has taken the whole "who's a journalist?" question and blown it apart. It's not about the journalism. The journalism call still be done by the paper. It's about how the paper becomes a hub for all the other smaller forms of "citizen journalism" that may be happening around it. Rich's post is a wealth of insight on the matter and must be read in full to really get what he's saying--and how it can be done.

Howard Owens (a guy who really *does* get both journalism and community) sums up Gordon this way: Newspaper managers have traditionally believed they needed to build “sticky” sites and try to capture people and pretend the rest of the web doesn’t exist. That is a strategy doomed to fail. Only by being part of the clickstream can you hope to succeed.

Exactly right. By tussling over who's a journalist and who isn't, both Newspapers and the Rabble get distracted and pulled into a useless argument that ends only in "I know what you are but what am I?" Newspapers should view the new media landscape like bloggers--choose who you want to link to, but don't insist they write the blogs *for* you. That's utter nonsense and, to agree with Owens' assessment, doomed to fail.

Further newspapers might want to consider what John Wilpers is doing with BostonNOW a new newspaper and website that will combine traditional and citizen journalism--but not the way it's been done. Rather, Wilpers plans to aggregate the feeds of blogs, not pay people to blog for them nor provide bloggers with a new blogging platform. Speaking with John last week at the New England News Forum he explained that they will be aggregating the short feeds of bloggers. If someone's interested they'll be able to click right over to the person's blog--not use the paper's site as a proxy nor as a full-feed reader. This is great! It keeps citizens autonomous and drives traffic to them. Likewise, the citizens can link to BostonNOW and drive some of their traffic back over to BN. This is a win-win social and news situation. The professional journalists won't be compromised (their articles will be in the paper and on the site too)and the citizen/non-professional "journalists"/bloggers/compulsive conversationalists will have their say too. You, the reader, will get to make the choice which one you want to read at what time.

Now, if this financial model can work, perhaps it will make monkeys out of those who feel they have to keep defining for the rest of us who the journalists are or aren't.

crossposted from The Constant Observer


Who are these "citizens" and why are they doing journalism for free?

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Chatting w/ the editors recently, I've noticed some questions emerging :

1) why might someone want to be an AZ contributor and do journalism--esp if they're not going to get paid?

2) who might be contributing and how much supervision will they need to do the journalism right?

Well, to get to the first question: there are lots of individual reasons why someone might want to contribute. Some folks are information collectors. They've got lots of interests and pick up bits and pieces of knowledge-stuff all over the place (I tend to do that. I love sharing all the stuff I know!) They might want to share what they've learned about this or that subject. Some might want to learn how to turn all that stuff into something more--an article suitable for publication--while others might be perfectly happy simply sharing a link or two.

Now, since we're all individuals here, and we all have different motives, the best thing for an editor to do is, perhaps, look at the information a person's providing. Does it need to be "fleshed out" (so to say) with more links or does it need better fact-checking? If more info's needed, a short email asking a person to provide more information could be a first step.

If it's just a tip, a simple "thanks for the tip!" response will go a long way to making that person feel what they've contributed is of value to the story (and usually it is.)

Most people will be pretty forthright if they don't have the time or aren't interested in handling more. Others are sometimes just waiting for a nod that more is needed before they add their $.02. A blog post or a note at the bottom of the reporter's page--noting that more info is needed--acknowledges the contribution and also asks for others to step in. It's okay to ask others to help add to a report. Just as long as everyone involved leaves their name so it's clear who-did-what....

I know that, for me, I'm always aware of whether or not I can get some payment for my knowledge. If I want to get paid, I'll find a way. Most of us "citizens" know where to draw the line on how much we are willing to give away. Esp. on a project of this sort.

As to the second question: the only way to get to know contributors is to check out their bios. Read their blog entries here, or on their own blogs. Check out other links they might provide. An editor should never assume that everyone on the team is a "newbie." Chances are there might be some folks who are highly accomplished journalists who believe they'll enjoy doing a different kind of journalism just for a hobby. You never know! If someone's shy about leaving a profile, an email asking to know more is a good thing--esp if he/she's been contributing good stuff.

If we think about it, it's all just a matter of getting to know the people who make up a topic's particular "Crowd-source" Once you know the Who, the Why becomes pretty clear. :-)


Thursday Round-Up 4/12/07

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Tish Grier blogs the Round-up for us again today

Some of our topics are moving forward in big ways, while others are getting organized and are ready to take on some contributors and reporters....

Moving forward with Crowdsoucing Novels, Michele Martin has much to say about how the newly-designed Assignment Zero site has helped her pull her team together:

The new site design feels transformative. In the last couple of days it has facilitated a great discussion on the Crowdsourced Novels team. Some fantastic team members had been working energetically but largely independently, unaware of the entire team and what other work was being accomplished. Sort of chaotic and mysterious.
This week we've been able to "see" each other on the topic home page, share contributor work (which is considerable) and discuss how we want to go forward. As topic editor, I thought my best role right now was to offer a possible way to further organize ourselves. It can be tricky because you want enough structure that people see a path but remain open to new lines of reporting as they emerge. (One of the problems in mainstream media is lack of people/time to keep new lines of reporting fresh. CS could solve this problem!)

Michele also commends her team members to responding "quickly and smartly" to her requests.

One of those team members, Yasmin Voglewede turned in a substantial amount of research on "These Wicked Games" in a very clear, concise report. Yasmin has notes on various individuals involved with this crowdsourced novel, plus a number of links to source materials.

In Political Journalism 2.0, William Glad posts a number of important, thought-provoking questions pertaining to citizen journalism and the line between journalist and activist:

Is there a difference between reporting and journalism? I've heard that reporters are anonymous, while journalists put themselves at the centers of their stories. They have a point of view. (Who said that?)

Is citizen journalism blurring the distinction between journalists and activists?

Keep reading his questions--they will certainly get you thinking about the nature of what we call "citizen journalism" in relation to the Middle East.

Crowdsourced Answers has started to move forward and needs your help. Editor John Abell is asking for your experiences with answer services. He's also left some instructions for developing this story in the Reporter's Notebook. John's ready for your contributions and for a reporter to take on the story!

Culture and Crowdsourced Film editor Jarrett Martineau blogs today about the crowdsourced film project "A Swarm of Angels", recently posted about on Now Public. Check it out and give Jarrett some feedback on this project. Is it a potential focus for Crowdsourced Film? He won't know if you don't leave a comment.


Wednesday Roundup 4/11/07

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Tish Grier's been following the Tracker for us today....

So much great stuff going on among our contributors, I wasn't really sure where to start (or stop) reading....

Len Witt is looking for some help contacting Eric von Hippel. He's called von Hippel, but hasn't received a return. If anyone has a connection to von Hippel, check out Len's post or send him an email. Len would also like to know if anyone is interviewing Yocahi Benkler and asks for better contact info for Josh Marshall

The text of Neal G. Moore's interview with Jeff Jarvis is up for review.

Crowdsourcing Novels editor Michelle McLellan pinpoints four areas where she believes need to focus in order for the topic to move forward: scope, ,b>theme, structures and timeline. Celestina Adams, who's been headding up the Newsvine efforts on the topic has shared her thoughts on Michele's ideas, which were most helpful to her. Michele is still looking forward to hearing from more of the folks working on this topic.

From the Crowdsourcing Novels reporting page Gerrit's write-up on the DMU blog for "A Million Penguins" Great stuff!

On Threadless editor Lindsay Gruson blogs huge props for Ed Domain along with a shout-out for some folks to give Ed a hand with the story.

On SellaBand, jsykes posed | ten questions (and got ten answers) from Clubworld, "the second act to break the $50,000 mark in support from believers in their music." Michale Jahn let's us know his plans for intereviewing several heavy metal bands on their SellaBand involvement.

Information editor John Abell posts his thoughts on Reporter/Editor Relationship:

My understanding of the basic role of an AZ editor is to be a mentor to reporters: to help them with whatever they need, at whatever the stage, to begin, flesh out and finish an assignment, using whatever passes for my expertise. My own approach is to be 100% available and only slightly proactive, to allow the reporters to be the reporters.

So, be prepared to be autonomous and to show initiative -- and to ask for help when you need it. We have a pretty good Bat Signal here and I'm prepared to be as involved as necessary.

And check out Maurice Cardinal's fine report Interrupting the Revenue Stream in an Oligopoly on the Crowdsourced Journalism/major criticisms of crowdsourced journalism page:

The following is an outline of a very complicated social matter in my city of Vancouver, BC. At first, it might not seem related to what we are trying to do here on AZ, but if you don't understand some of the details that we have had to deal with it will be hard to appreciate the challenges of crowdsourcing. To begin, I've written and published a "citizen journalism" blog since 2004, well before the term was in the mainstream. In fact, to me it was just a website that eventually was renamed a blog. Blogging, citizen journalism, crowdsourcing, etc., for me and my company has proven to be incredibly challenging on a number of levels, and as time goes on, it becomes increasingly so.

There is a big difference between simply reporting news as an indie journalist, and reporting news that changes how people regard the news system. We do both, but of late, primarily the latter. Our slogan is, "We don't break the news. We fix it."


Tuesday Round-Up

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Social News Sites Editor Christine Riedel is reaching out to our community and has set down an outline of all the areas where she's needing help from volunteers. The topic of Social News Sites encompasses digg, newsvine, reddit, NewsTrust and Netscape. To get to know those communities, Christine advises:

Spend some time on the site. How are people using the site? What kinds of stories are rising to the top (news, opinion, tech how-to, gossip, etc.)? What's the difference (if any) between "important" and "popular" stories? Are these sites really as unedited as we think? Are traditional news sites trying to use social news sites to generate more traffic for themselves? How is the site policed -- how to you keep individuals or companies from using such a site to promote their own personal or commercial agendas?

Take a look at the rest of her post to find out more...

Contributor Randy Burge took a stab at explaining crowdsoucing in his recent Burge Eye View column in the Albuquerque Tribune, and blogged his thoughts on crowdsourcing

Participating in this frothy crowdsourcing surf reminds me of the first time I stood up on a surf board and experienced, fleetingly, the raw power of an ocean wave. I realized that fluid ocean motion solidifies into a surface capable easily supporting me and propelling me forward – and off the board altogether soon enough.

Swimming in the crowdsourcing sea is daunting if not drowning in its fluidity. The best way, keeping with this analogy, to comprehend the force of the crowdsourcing movement, for me, has been getting on an Assignment Zero surfboard and catching a wave or two.

Can definitley relate to that sense of both swimming--and at times almost drowning--in the sea of information that can come at one in a crowdsourcing enviorment. It certainly takes time to catch that perfect wave, but once you do, it all begins to make sense...

Some fine reporting from KG on the crowdsourced romance novel "These Wicked Games" ("It cost me $2.39 + $.20 tax for a grand total of $2.59. I was surprised at how inexpensive this was!" writes KG) as well as from RW King on Newt Gingrich's "off-color" comment re "ghetto language" which is posted on YouTube in both Spanish and English. RW provides links to both videos.


a mention at Ourmedia

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Windsong gives a shout out to AZ at Ourmedia....

and in case y'all didn't know, JD Lasica, founder of Ourmedia, is an AZ interview topic--here's the page Anybody who interviews JD will not only be spending time with a great, forward-thinking guy but will also learn a whole lot about "new media"....


Building a Blogroll....

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I'm in the process of building a blogroll for Assignment Zero...if you've got any blogs you think would be good reads for the community, believe are helpful to others, etc. just leave the links in the comments....I'd hate for the blogroll to be the blogs we team members read. :-)


Kvetching Columnist takes Pot-Shot at AZ--The Rabble Responds

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On Friday, The New Republic columnist Carolyn O'Hara's taken a stab (shot, attempt to garrotte) at Assignment Zero in Net Zero:

His new online project, Assignment Zero, is designed to grant anyone with the inclination and the time the power to report, research, and write major news stories alongside volunteer professionals. No longer will citizens be oppressed and controlled by Big Media, goes the theory, forcing them to drink the Kool-Aid that prevents them from seeing how the news landscape has been redrawn forever. "The people formerly known as the audience wish to inform media people of our existence, and of a shift in power," he wrote last July. It's war, in other words--and Rosen and his fellow champions of citizen journalism have declared preemptive victory.

Methinks O'Hara's stretching it a bit into hyperbole-land here. I don't think anyone here is declairing "war" on professional journalism...we're just trying stuff to see how it works...I don't think anyone here's drinking any Kool-Aid. Frankly, lots of people are concerned that things are done with a certain standard and that many of the principles of journalism get upheld....

But to back up a bit, O'Hara opens the article with Josh Marshall's shout-out to TPM Muckraker readers to help weed thru the 3,000 pages of Justice Dept emails on the fired U.S. attorneys. TPM Muckraker's a bit different than AZ--it's got a different modus opporandi (sp?), a different community, a different reason to get together to do something like sort thru all those docs. Sure, it's a kind of loose "citizen journalism"--the kind a newsroom might send the college journo kids on while they're doing their summer internships....

O'Hara also indicts AZ as "Wikifying investigative journalism." That's not quite the right analogy. Rather, I'd say that things here are more along the lines of what Larry Sanger wants to do at Citizendium: there will be citizen contributions, but there will be professional journalists overseeing the various topics (they're our Editors) and some of the writing will be done by journalists as well (I think the writers are a mixed bag--gotta check that out further.)

And I don't think O'Hara's taken the time to come in and see some of the discussions we've had regarding how to cite information taken from blog posts, how we might deal with the troll issue (perhaps differently from how TMP does it) and how far an investigative piece that involves citizen contributions should be taken...(and if conversation is "wikization" then excuse me for being a serious wiki-ist.....just can't shut me up sometimes)

Yet the fact that TNR takes comments gives some value to registering and reading the full article. The discussion that evolves in the comments is great--and sounds just like something one might hear a bunch of folks discuss at some tony bar somwhere uptown. Sure, a couple of folks sling barbs at one another, but the tart-and-tangy flavor of the conversation is what makes it a great read. Nobody's solving the issues of the world here, but that's not the point. It's just a conversation--and a conversation that the people posting may not have had anywhere else.

Two blogs also picked up on the O'Hara column and had their own takes: refWrite refBloggers Insert comments :There is a roiling debate going on at the moment on the concept of "citizen journalism," which stretches blogging beyond its info-legitmate and valuable sphere of societal functionality to its veritable antization

Indeed refWrite makes an important point-- yet perhaps the "roiling debates", and the various experiments that spring from them are, at this point in time, important antecedents to positive change (check out what happened at the New England News Fourm this past weekend, as well as the report from JLab exec. director Jan Schaffer Citizen Media: Fad or the Future of News?. AZ is part of a larger landscape of discussions on the fate of journalism that are beginning to precipitate action that heretofore was difficult if not impossible.)

The Khronikles of Kakkania slings back what O'Hara's dished out: Does your profession help me by reporting on who is winning the Irish Sweepstakes that is campaign funding, all without any awareness that it is simultaneously announcing that our elections are bought? Does your profession help my community by endlessly repeating, as it does, the little turds of thought we get from Kaiser W et al about "democracy" and "evil" and "freedom" et cetera? Or by covering stories of environmental damage with concluding "skeptical" quotes from those actually doing the damage and calling the resultant killed-space "balanced"?

Because if that's what journalism is — and most of it does seem to me to consist of just this sort of drivel, seasoned occasionally with the spice of contempt for ordinary people and everyday life that so enriches your self-satisfied little navel-gazing critique of Assignment Zero — if that is what professional journalism is in Kakkania today, then it's not good for the neighborhood, it's not good for the neighbors, and, baby, it's not good for you.

Yowch! but read the rest of the blog entry--which pulls apart other portions of O'Hara's argument, and also gets a comment from Jay...

Now that I've spent some time here at AZ (far more than O'Hara's spent with the site, I'm sure) I have a better idea of what's going on here--and quite frankly Jay's done a great deal to put together a model that *isn't* the "wikization" of journalism. Rather, there is an attempt here to give voice to citizens and to hear them (you can give voice and tune out, as what often happens to commenters on msm publications) while maintaining a level of journalitic standard by having editors who are active in journalism. The project has an edge--but also a conservative side. It's not a free-for-all in the manner that O'Hara paints it.

And we can't really anticipate the impact it's going to have. It's too soon to tell...

For that matter, no one knows what any of the myriad of experiments going on now (including all those great cit j sites ref'd in Schaffer's report) will have in the long run.

All we have now are these great experiments. Quit kvetching and kibbitzing from the sidelines and get involved.


Bugs--and cookies

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If you find yourself blogging on your AZ blog, then go to post, and get some little error message that says "Oops!" and your entry doesn't post, simply log out, then clear your browser "cookies" cache. I lost my original, but had no problem creating and posting after clearing the cache.